DUE WED 2/28 Iliad Assignment
The Iliad Book 9 pp. 266-275 lines 521-869 (end of Book 9)
1. Write a question you have about the text, either an interpretive question that you have an opinion on, or something that you don't understand. You don't need to write the answer.
Does Phoenix's attempt to get at Achilles' emotions ever affect him in a way that would benefit the Achaean army? If so, how?
2. What was your opinion of Achilles before reading Book 9?
Before reading book 9 I had a point of view on Achilles where I would back him no matter what his decisons were, I think this may be because the author made him to fit into a more protagonist role. After reading this section my view on him really doesn't change, he is still the headstrong character that he was in the beginning. The only thing that I would say is different is that now he believes even more for his cause to boycott than he did earlier.
1. Appeal to reason (logic - does it “make sense” to do what the speaker says)
2. Appeal to emotion (does it try to make you happy, sad, angry etc… in an attempt to get you to act or think a certain way)
3. Appeal to ethics (right and wrong, moral principals - does it get you to think that a particular thought is morally right or wrong to get you to act or think a certain way)
Who is speaking?
Odysseus
What does the person say and to whom do they say it?
To the Achaens: "And the steady, long-enduring Odysseus replied, 'Great marshal Atrides, lord of men Agamemnon, that man has no intention of quenching his rage. he's still bursting with anger, more than ever- he spurns you, he spurns all your gifts. Work out your own defense, he says , you and your captains save the Argive armies and the ships. Himself? Achilles threatens tomorrow at first light, to haul his well-benched warships out to sea. And whats more, he advises all the rest, 'sail home now. You will never set your eyes on the day of doom that topples looming Troy. Thundering Zeus has spread his hands above her...her armies have taken heart.'"
What persuasive strategy is this? Evidence?
I think this is appeal to ethics. Odysseus is explaining to the army how bad he thinks that Agamemnon is. And he uses evidence against him that makes him look like he is not trustworthy. It makes the army not like him anymore.
Who is speaking:
Phoenix
What does this person say and to whom does he say it?
He is speaking to Achilles on lines 780-782: " Achilles, put some human kindness in your heart. Show respect for your own house."
What persuasive strategy is it? Evidence?
The persuasive strategy of appealing to ethics. Why it is an example of this strategy: I think that this is the persuasive strategy of appealing to ethics because in ancient Greek times, you were pledged to your house and you were loyal to them. It would be dishonorable and unethical for Achilles to go against his own house at this time, because it would mean that he was not loyal to his pledge.
Tuesday, February 27, 2007
Monday, February 26, 2007
Iliad Assignment 1
DUE TUE 2/27 – Iliad Assignment
Read Book 9 - “The Embassy to Achilles” pp. 251-266 lines 1-522
You should answer these on your blog AND print them out and add them to your Iliad notes. If you don’t have a three-hole punch at home you can use the one at school. I would like to emphasize once again the importance of keeping your notes in one place – your binders. If you have notes scattered in your binder, your blog, and in a random notebook, they will be of no use to you when it comes time to prep for debate or write an essay. The same holds true if you don’t label your notes with the book number, page number, and line numbers etc…
1. Write a question. It can be an interpretive question that you have an opinion on or something about the text that you don't understand. You do not need to write the answer.
Question:
If you were Achilles What would be the reason for you to go and fight for your name would live on long after you die? Why would this be more important than haveing a full life with a family and happiness.
AND
2. What was your opinion of Agamemnon before reading this section? Does your opinion of him change after reading it? Why or why not? Aone paragraph reply is fine, minimum of 6 solid setneces, but you are encouraged to write more.
Before reading this section my opinion of Agamemnon was that he was this roothless king that cares so much about was prizes. Although in this section he says that he would rather five up his was prizes to have peace and have Achilles come back to fight for the Greeks. I think by doing this he is shown as weak and I don't think Achilles will, or for that matter should, agree, which he doesn't, because of how ignorantand expectant Agamemnon was of Achilles in book one. Another reason why I think Achilles will not take his gifts for an appology, which in fact Agamemnon is still not apologizing and saying he is the better man, mainly because he has already made up his mind about the war, and he deffinately isnt going to back down and change his mind for someone he hates, Agamemnon. Agamemnon is acting as if he is better than Achilles yet he is basically begging him to fight. Agamemnon doesnt realize he can't be forgiven that easily if even at all. He was clearly a coward because of his actions in book one, and quite frankly still is in book two.
AND
3. At various points in the text some characters attempt to persuade other characters to take a course of action. Examples of characters using persuasion include Nestor, Odysseus, and Ajax. Make a list of the persuasive strategy used by these characters, following this format:
Who is speaking?
What does that person say and to whom does he say it?
What persuasive strategy is it?
Why is it an example of that strategy?
Do this at least three times with different examples.
Remember the persuasive strategies include:
1. Appeal to reason (logic - does it “make sense” to do what the speaker says)
2. Appeal to emotion (does it try to make you happy, sad, angry etc… in an attempt to get you to act or think a certain way)
3. Appeal to ethics (right and wrong, moral principals - does it get you to think that a particular thought is morally right or wrong to get you to act or think a certain way)
1) on page: 252...
Diomedes tells his people, the Greeks, to stay on the beach of Troy, against Agamemnon's wishes. He appeals to the men's emotions and makes sure they know if they leave the will lose some of their pride and honor.
2) on page: 255...
Agamemnon tries to make Achilles join the war once again by appealing to his ethics and telling him it is what is right and what he should do to help his people. He also uses the greed that Achilles ahs to his advantage, although he fails, because Achilles refuses the offer.
3) on page: 261...
Agamemnon sends Odysseus (one of Achilles' friends) to talk to him and knock some sense into him, with more rational reasons to fight again. He uses logic to appeal to Achilles.
Read Book 9 - “The Embassy to Achilles” pp. 251-266 lines 1-522
You should answer these on your blog AND print them out and add them to your Iliad notes. If you don’t have a three-hole punch at home you can use the one at school. I would like to emphasize once again the importance of keeping your notes in one place – your binders. If you have notes scattered in your binder, your blog, and in a random notebook, they will be of no use to you when it comes time to prep for debate or write an essay. The same holds true if you don’t label your notes with the book number, page number, and line numbers etc…
1. Write a question. It can be an interpretive question that you have an opinion on or something about the text that you don't understand. You do not need to write the answer.
Question:
If you were Achilles What would be the reason for you to go and fight for your name would live on long after you die? Why would this be more important than haveing a full life with a family and happiness.
AND
2. What was your opinion of Agamemnon before reading this section? Does your opinion of him change after reading it? Why or why not? Aone paragraph reply is fine, minimum of 6 solid setneces, but you are encouraged to write more.
Before reading this section my opinion of Agamemnon was that he was this roothless king that cares so much about was prizes. Although in this section he says that he would rather five up his was prizes to have peace and have Achilles come back to fight for the Greeks. I think by doing this he is shown as weak and I don't think Achilles will, or for that matter should, agree, which he doesn't, because of how ignorantand expectant Agamemnon was of Achilles in book one. Another reason why I think Achilles will not take his gifts for an appology, which in fact Agamemnon is still not apologizing and saying he is the better man, mainly because he has already made up his mind about the war, and he deffinately isnt going to back down and change his mind for someone he hates, Agamemnon. Agamemnon is acting as if he is better than Achilles yet he is basically begging him to fight. Agamemnon doesnt realize he can't be forgiven that easily if even at all. He was clearly a coward because of his actions in book one, and quite frankly still is in book two.
AND
3. At various points in the text some characters attempt to persuade other characters to take a course of action. Examples of characters using persuasion include Nestor, Odysseus, and Ajax. Make a list of the persuasive strategy used by these characters, following this format:
Who is speaking?
What does that person say and to whom does he say it?
What persuasive strategy is it?
Why is it an example of that strategy?
Do this at least three times with different examples.
Remember the persuasive strategies include:
1. Appeal to reason (logic - does it “make sense” to do what the speaker says)
2. Appeal to emotion (does it try to make you happy, sad, angry etc… in an attempt to get you to act or think a certain way)
3. Appeal to ethics (right and wrong, moral principals - does it get you to think that a particular thought is morally right or wrong to get you to act or think a certain way)
1) on page: 252...
Diomedes tells his people, the Greeks, to stay on the beach of Troy, against Agamemnon's wishes. He appeals to the men's emotions and makes sure they know if they leave the will lose some of their pride and honor.
2) on page: 255...
Agamemnon tries to make Achilles join the war once again by appealing to his ethics and telling him it is what is right and what he should do to help his people. He also uses the greed that Achilles ahs to his advantage, although he fails, because Achilles refuses the offer.
3) on page: 261...
Agamemnon sends Odysseus (one of Achilles' friends) to talk to him and knock some sense into him, with more rational reasons to fight again. He uses logic to appeal to Achilles.
Wednesday, February 21, 2007
Iliad Reflection - Book One
DUE THR 2/22 Iliad Reflection - Book One
Answer the following question in your blog. Please cut and paste the question above your answer and put it in bold.
If you were an ancient Greek, which of the following statements would you agree with?
A) Achilles’ rage is justified and I support his decision not to fight, even if it means the Greeks might lose lots of men, or even the war itself.
Or
B) Agamemnon is the commander, as such he is in the right, and I support his decision to ask for Achilles’ war prize Briseis – even if it means that Achilles will sit out the war.
Your answer should be a good solid paragraph, have a topic sentence, and MUST use evidence from Homer.
If I were an ancient Greek i would agree with A:
I do believe that Achilles has a good reason to be upset. After all, he is the one who fought long and hard, he is the one who deserved a prize in the first place. Aggamemnon shouldn't abuse his power to get what he wants, thats definetly not a good quality for a leader. Also, not only does Aggamemnon kidnap Crysies, while all other men fight for their "prizes," but when the father askes for his daughter back, he refuses. Finally he does give her up, but only if he reiceves a prize of equal value to what he has lost. "Not so quickly, brave as you are, godlike Achilles - trying to cheat me. Oh no, you wont get past me, take me in that way! What do you want? To cling to your own prize while I sit calmly by - empty handed here? Is that why you order me to give her back? No -- if our generous argives will give me a prize, a match for my desires, equal to what I've lost, well and good." I realize that was a long quote, but that is probably my favorite part of the whole book. I find it rediculous that Aggamemnon thinks he can go around snatching prizes that people have earned. He feels he is being cheated, when he is the one cheating Achilles. Another point is, Aggamemnon should cater to Achilles, he practically wins wars for the Acheans. If it wasnt for Achilles, Aggamemnon would have never had a war prize in the first place, which is very true, as we all know.
Answer the following question in your blog. Please cut and paste the question above your answer and put it in bold.
If you were an ancient Greek, which of the following statements would you agree with?
A) Achilles’ rage is justified and I support his decision not to fight, even if it means the Greeks might lose lots of men, or even the war itself.
Or
B) Agamemnon is the commander, as such he is in the right, and I support his decision to ask for Achilles’ war prize Briseis – even if it means that Achilles will sit out the war.
Your answer should be a good solid paragraph, have a topic sentence, and MUST use evidence from Homer.
If I were an ancient Greek i would agree with A:
I do believe that Achilles has a good reason to be upset. After all, he is the one who fought long and hard, he is the one who deserved a prize in the first place. Aggamemnon shouldn't abuse his power to get what he wants, thats definetly not a good quality for a leader. Also, not only does Aggamemnon kidnap Crysies, while all other men fight for their "prizes," but when the father askes for his daughter back, he refuses. Finally he does give her up, but only if he reiceves a prize of equal value to what he has lost. "Not so quickly, brave as you are, godlike Achilles - trying to cheat me. Oh no, you wont get past me, take me in that way! What do you want? To cling to your own prize while I sit calmly by - empty handed here? Is that why you order me to give her back? No -- if our generous argives will give me a prize, a match for my desires, equal to what I've lost, well and good." I realize that was a long quote, but that is probably my favorite part of the whole book. I find it rediculous that Aggamemnon thinks he can go around snatching prizes that people have earned. He feels he is being cheated, when he is the one cheating Achilles. Another point is, Aggamemnon should cater to Achilles, he practically wins wars for the Acheans. If it wasnt for Achilles, Aggamemnon would have never had a war prize in the first place, which is very true, as we all know.
Disagreements and Fights
DUE THR 2/22 - Disagreements and Fights ...
In the spirit of exploring the universal qualities of Homer -----In your blog write about a time when you had a big disagreement with a friend - or other person - that led you or the other person to regret things that were said or done. Focus on the negative consequences of the disagreement and decisions that you or the other person made that might have made things needlessly worse. You can also write about something similar from literature or the movies, or even about other people that you know. Remember this is a public forum so be careful what you write. You can change names and fictionalize details.
Parents can have a lot to do with a relationship between their children and their friends. From how their parents accept you to how they interact with your own parents which can either make or hurt a friendship. I used to have this friend, and we would always be together and be at each other’s houses. Their mom and dad were very nice and seemed to approve of us hanging out together. One night I remember being at his house and eating dinner when they proceeded to say “thanks,” as in a prayer before they eat. Being polite I bowed my head, although I don’t have religious beliefs and therefore do not believe in God. I was then asked to say grace, but not being a religious person I went to say that I don’t believe, and right then, it seemed like I was not accepted anymore. There was a very long awkward silence, and then his parents tried to get me to believe. They told be about how Jesus could “be my savior” and a whole bunch of stuff, and quite frankly I didn’t want to discuss the topic. I felt pressured into doing something I don’t feel the need to participate in and wanted them to not judge me by my beliefs but by the person I am. Every time I went there they always were trying to convert me, and my friend never backed me up, or told his parents to let it go. Eventually I got so sick or trying to be polite and I must have said some stuff I shouldn’t had said, but I felt as if I was being violated and in a way harassed for not being like them. Although I lost a friend I think it was better that I did not let them pressure me into doing something I didn’t want to. I also think that by saying no to something like this I could in the future say no to other things, when being pressured to do them.
In the spirit of exploring the universal qualities of Homer -----In your blog write about a time when you had a big disagreement with a friend - or other person - that led you or the other person to regret things that were said or done. Focus on the negative consequences of the disagreement and decisions that you or the other person made that might have made things needlessly worse. You can also write about something similar from literature or the movies, or even about other people that you know. Remember this is a public forum so be careful what you write. You can change names and fictionalize details.
Parents can have a lot to do with a relationship between their children and their friends. From how their parents accept you to how they interact with your own parents which can either make or hurt a friendship. I used to have this friend, and we would always be together and be at each other’s houses. Their mom and dad were very nice and seemed to approve of us hanging out together. One night I remember being at his house and eating dinner when they proceeded to say “thanks,” as in a prayer before they eat. Being polite I bowed my head, although I don’t have religious beliefs and therefore do not believe in God. I was then asked to say grace, but not being a religious person I went to say that I don’t believe, and right then, it seemed like I was not accepted anymore. There was a very long awkward silence, and then his parents tried to get me to believe. They told be about how Jesus could “be my savior” and a whole bunch of stuff, and quite frankly I didn’t want to discuss the topic. I felt pressured into doing something I don’t feel the need to participate in and wanted them to not judge me by my beliefs but by the person I am. Every time I went there they always were trying to convert me, and my friend never backed me up, or told his parents to let it go. Eventually I got so sick or trying to be polite and I must have said some stuff I shouldn’t had said, but I felt as if I was being violated and in a way harassed for not being like them. Although I lost a friend I think it was better that I did not let them pressure me into doing something I didn’t want to. I also think that by saying no to something like this I could in the future say no to other things, when being pressured to do them.
Monday, February 12, 2007
My Rage - Cause
DUE TUE, 2/13 My Rage - Cause
We have been reading about Achilles’ rage; now let’s hear about yours (on your blog).
The title of this should be “My Rage – Cause.” This is simply for grading purposes. If you want another title, indicate that title in the body of your post, at the top.
Write about a time when you were angry. Focus on the cause of your anger. In other words, what made you angry? This should be a minimum of one full paragraph with an easily understood topic sentence. For example, “I was angry when …” The key to doing well on this type of writing is to provide explanations.
RAGE! It is a feeling everyone gets when their buttons have been pushed, to a point they cannot mentally take. It brings you to a place where you start to hate, or strongly dislike, everything and everyone around one. Depending on what triggered this anger you can feel hurt, betrayed, annoyed or simply outraged. One thing that pushed me over the edge is when someone says something to you, and you simply can't fight back. If they are "higher" than you, parents, teachers, authorites, etc. It is so frustrating to just have to sit back and take it, with no choice. You are left frustrated, raged, and powerless... Some of the worst feelings in the world.
We have been reading about Achilles’ rage; now let’s hear about yours (on your blog).
The title of this should be “My Rage – Cause.” This is simply for grading purposes. If you want another title, indicate that title in the body of your post, at the top.
Write about a time when you were angry. Focus on the cause of your anger. In other words, what made you angry? This should be a minimum of one full paragraph with an easily understood topic sentence. For example, “I was angry when …” The key to doing well on this type of writing is to provide explanations.
RAGE! It is a feeling everyone gets when their buttons have been pushed, to a point they cannot mentally take. It brings you to a place where you start to hate, or strongly dislike, everything and everyone around one. Depending on what triggered this anger you can feel hurt, betrayed, annoyed or simply outraged. One thing that pushed me over the edge is when someone says something to you, and you simply can't fight back. If they are "higher" than you, parents, teachers, authorites, etc. It is so frustrating to just have to sit back and take it, with no choice. You are left frustrated, raged, and powerless... Some of the worst feelings in the world.
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